Talking Turkey, Talking Tribulation?

Posted by Jeffrey K Radt ("JRed") | Posted in , , , , , , , , , , , | Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010


For anyone who's visiting this forum for the first time, or those who have been stopping by regularly and this is your first exposure to one of our "Studies In Symbolism", please know that I don't ever believe that I have anything to do with any of this.

Gosh no! What I mean by that is that whenever something catches my eye and sticks with me (often for no real explainable reason), I regularly interpret that to be due to the result of the Holy Spirit and then go where He (and the story) takes me, and a lot of times it ends up touching upon a number of areas all pointing to the same common religious/spiritual memes and themes that we expose and study here.

Now, even though I personally attribute such occurrences to the Holy Spirit because of my Biblical and Christian worldview (not to mention my prophetic perspective), that should not be viewed as a tacit pronouncement that I believe that any of this is a "Thus sayeth the Lord..." type of thing. Sure, it could be, but I can't be certain of that by any means. So, I want to be VERY CAREFUL not to even hint that I'm somehow "speaking for God" here.

At the same time, although these types of studies are subjective, although these types of studies are speculative, I think they still have some redeeming value because they always seem to suggest (without contriving things) that we're all right to assume that our time for spiritual preparation is just about over and that the beginning of the end is close at hand. You can read the rest of this and then tell me what you think about that in the Comments Section if you want to. Anyway, I just wanted to clarify things and be as transparent as possible with everyone.

Once again (and as always), I will caution that I know that a lot of times these types of entries test one's patience given all the various threads that we attempt to tie together, but please try to work your way through this one without rushing because there's so much here that defies logic and mere "coincidence" (which Christians don't believe in anyway, right?), and I think that MIGHT BE an important clue for us.

What does it have to do with? What's the important message we should all take away from reading today's post (if any)? REPENT! JUDGMENT IS COMING!!! THE BODY OF CHRIST NEEDS TO GET SERIOUS BECAUSE THE TIME FOR SPIRITUAL PREPARATION IS ALMOST OVER! That is the cold, hard truth regardless of any subjective analysis of perceived "signs" and "symbols" like this one.


First, an admission, and a word of caution. Even though I've opened the last few "Studies In Symbolism" pieces with this type of introduction, I feel like this is something I must now include as standard fare in all future posts of this kind.

Yes, I know that studies in symbolism are highly subjective, and that can be dangerous. I get that. I also realize that this world can be distracting and that Satan will use whatever he can to keep us from doing the things that we should be doing; from setting our minds on the things that we should be setting our minds on (Colossians 3:2).

At the same time, while we are not of this world, we're still in it. Personally, my intention here is that I want to try and point to the things going on in this world (even if they're HIGHLY SYMBOLIC in nature, esoteric, and open to one's own unique interpretation) and demonstrate not only how it MIGHT BE connected to the Bible's end times prophecies
(but only so far as it gets us students of end times Bible prophecy to consider the lateness of the hour based on what such symbolism reminds us of), but also WHAT IT WAS IN GOD'S WORD that it forced me to think about.

My thinking is the same as it's been since day 1 a little over 2 years ago in these parts. If I'm clear about this being MY ANALYSIS AND INTERPRETATION OF SIGNS AND SYMBOLS IN POP CULTURE AND THE WORLD AROUND US AS I PERCEIVE THEM (as opposed to it being a
"Thus sayeth the Lord..." type of pronouncement), and if such a study ultimately gets me to spend even more time watching and praying for Jesus' return, let alone more time in the Word studying it, then how bad can a process like this be? Am I wrong to assume that the ends justify the means in this case? I don't think that I am, but you're free to disagree since I admit that I could be wrong about that.

So, from now on, I'll always feel that it is necessary to openly state these things for anyone who's new to Look Up Fellowship, or for the rest of you who still have a problem with these kinds of studies in symbolism (if that's you, then you might also want to re-read what is written about what we do here in the "What We Believe" section of this website on the right hand side of this page).

An apology is in order too. I used to think that it's almost as if the good Lord is pulling out all the stops to "give us a head's up" about what's coming -- what's imminent -- and that He's putting these messages in all the things that we've sadly allowed to become "False Idols" in our lives like art, comics, music, movies, politics, pop culture, TV, and sports to name a few. Why? Because we've stopped talking to Him and reading His Word and, as a result, many of us are clueless about what we're told about what to expect in the coming last days. Worse, maybe we're not "clueless" at all. Maybe we just don't care unless it affects us negatively on a deep, personal level.

How did I arrive at such a thought? Well, I know from what I read in the Bible that the Lord does, in fact, speak to us (and reveal Himself to us) through His creation. I reasoned,
"What are art, comics, music, movies, politics, pop culture, TV, and sports except an extension, or a part, of His creation?" and so that's why I was ok thinking that for so long.

I also used to think that because of what we read in
2 Peter 3:9 (amongst other places) about God's character and love, that that somehow meant that perhaps He was using those aforementioned "extensions" of His creation because He was "desperately trying to get our attention" since we weren't giving Him the time of day.

That sounds good, right? It makes sense. But it's not Biblical. I couldn't find any verses that made me feel comfortable making such claims, or even insinuating such claims to all of you any longer.
Lord, have mercy on me for I have sinned! See, besides, once I began to study the Sovereignty of God, as well as the Doctrines of Grace, I realized that to hold on to any kind of position that said that God was speaking to us through such things because "He was desperately trying to get our attention..." renders Almighty God impotent! It takes away His sovereignty and puts it squarely in the hands of humanity! Again, nothing Biblical about that.

To make such a vile assertion is to make it sound like He's just sitting up there on His throne, fingers crossed, hoping that we'll "finally get it" and "come to our senses" before it's too late. That flies in the face of all the passages in Scripture that speak to His sovereignty and grace and how He draws "the elect" to Him. It says that man has the freedom to "choose" or "reject" Jesus Christ, which would make Jesus a POTENTIAL Savior for some, and an ACTUAL Savior for no one. Again, how wrong I was!

No, He's probably not involved in most of this in the way I've suggested. Some of it, yes, but not for the reasons I've attached to it, and not as much as I've attributed to Him in the past I'm afraid. Not in the way that I have suggested for far too long. Basically, we can never be certain of any of that so how can I say for sure that that's what this is? No, I just mean to point out what the symbolism I'm coming across in my daily life is making me think of. I hope that makes sense. I can admit my error (my sin). Please forgive me.

So, where do we go from here then? First, I wanted to redefine my position here for the record when it comes to studies in symbolism that you will find on LUF from this moment on. From this point forward, whenever I use the headlines, images, memes, stories, symbols, and themes we find in the world around us, it will ONLY be to use them AS A STARTING POINT for a study on end times Bible prophecy (in the sense that "this made me think of this today..."), and it will NEVER be with the caveat,
"Hmmm...Maybe God is trying to get our attention and trying to tell us something so that you'll finally make Him your Lord and Savior, huh?" because that's not right. Who the heck am I to speak for God Almighty or to even assume I know what He's saying with any kind of certainty when it comes to these matters?

Let me clarify before moving on to today's main focus. Yes, God is speaking to us, and many of us aren't paying attention or listening at all. I'm also not saying that He doesn't speak to us through events that He orchestrates. He does. I'm just saying that I'm personally going to "take it down a notch" when it comes to stating with any kind of authority that I "know" that this is what He's doing for certain. It's also why I'll also present these pieces with the title of the post in the form of a question. Again, who am I to claim such things? I'm nobody!

We'll begin by using the Word of God as our foundation before proceeding with today's study...

Matthew 10:16 (KJV) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Ephesians 5:11 (KJV) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Proverbs 25:2 (KJV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Luke 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 21:28 (KJV) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Where do we even begin?


No, don't worry, I'm not about to engage in some wildly speculative sign-spotting exercise that will loosely hint that next week (the time when we celebrate Thanksgiving here in the US) is the "tipping point" that we should all be concerned about and setting our watchful gaze upon.

Contrary to popular belief, LUF is not into "date-setting" in this or any other forum like some of our secular and non-believing counterparts. We do, however, encourage watchfulness and encouraging brothers and sisters in Christ to greet each and every day like it could be prophetically significant let alone their last on this planet.

Instead, I want to simply report on a few items I saw in the news all at the same time Thursday and then get out of the way and let you take things to the Lord in prayer asking Him for wisdom and discernment about any potential prophetic significance connected to them.

The popular idiom "Talking Turkey" means "to speak frankly and get down to the basic facts of a matter", which is appropriate for today's subject matter. Meanwhile, a "turkey" can be slang for "a person considered inept or undesirable" or "a failure, especially a failed theatrical production or movie", which, to reiterate, is extremely appropriate for today's piece.

I can't help but wonder if several of the previous posts appearing in this space recently were a carefully orchestrated (providentially?) prelude of sorts building up to what's coming upon the earth -- the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week, or the start of the Tribulation.

In the order that I was led to research, write, and publish them here on LUF...

Saint Lucia A Signal?

The 7 Year Covenant!?!

Obama In India, Pope In Spain: Is The 'Wild Hunt' On?

Testament (By Dawn's Early Light)

Is Jesus About To Judge?

Ok, with those studies fresh in our minds let's cut to the chase. Anyone care to comment on the trifecta that Satan seemed to score this past Thursday? By the way, although we commonly associate a "Trifecta" with Horse Racing, the word is also used to describe a situation when three elements come together at the same time.

Three elements coming together at the same time. Very interesting indeed.

First, like all of you, I saw this image...

And I thought that Newsweek's treatment of Sarah Palin on their cover a few months back was ridiculous! This time around, Newsweek names Obama "God Of All Things" and depicts him as the Hindu god "Shiva" ("The Destroyer") on its latest cover. Well, they are partly right I'd say.

We've explored the Obama-Hinduism links before, but in light of this Newsweek cover's symbolism, I highly recommend reading "The Destroyer And The Beast" (thanks Court) after you digest the overt symbolism from that one.

To give you a little taste of the kind of valuable discernment that I believe can be found in that piece there's this little excerpt...

MdLinda found something that ties into this all and in a way that is extremely alarming (Link: ) The announcement is that there is (as of November 12, 2010) a 50/50 Joint Venture will Merge all Newsweek Businesses and The Daily Beast’s Digital Assets. Essentially, this is a marriage between man and beast with this venture, and it is happening right now. Something from the article that really caught my eye is this, "The new entity will be called The Newsweek Daily Beast Company……..The two entities together offer writers, photographers and marketers a powerful dual platform."

Surreal, right? I know. It never ends and almost seems like it's quickening too.

We can only pray about the possible foreshadowing here too. I mean, if the Body of Christ is about to face the prophesied persecution in the near future, thanks in large part to this man named Barack Hussein Obama (like many of us believe at the moment), then we might want to take a closer look at why we're seeing such a powerful depiction of our President as a Hindu "destroyer" god.

The reality of what's going on India is horrible. Scott Johnson shared a story via email that emerged out of India in late October and before the President's trip there...

Hindu Radicals Assault Pregnant Christian

International Christian Concern (ICC) has learned that Hindu radicals severely beat a pregnant Christian woman today while she was attending the funeral of her infant daughter in Orissa, India. The radicals, who refuse to allow Christians to be buried in the village, attacked several other Christians at the funeral with machetes and sticks.

At the time of this reporting, Sonadei, the assaulted pregnant woman, was bleeding heavily. She has not received any medical attention because there is no hospital in Bendaguda, the village where the attack occurred.

Pastor Vijay Kumar, who was also attacked at the funeral, told ICC that victims are panicked and hiding in a house with the decomposed body of the baby, fearful of what might happen to them tonight. He earnestly requested prayer.

Is this a foreshadowing of what's to come for Christians in America at the hands of an administration that is constantly being associated with Hinduism, or an anti-Christ spirit in disguise?

Still, there's one other Hindu angle that needs to be mentioned I think. According to some, Obama thinks he is the Hindu god "Hanuman", or a general among the "vanaras", an ape-like race of forest-dwellers (think Planet Of The Apes). Hanuman is an incarnation of the divine, whose fate it is to aid the hero "Rama" in the struggle against the demon king "Ravana". And to think that Obama arrived in India a couple of weeks ago on "Diwali Night", or the holiday that celebrates and honors the very same Rama! Hmmm...

So strange, I know.

Now, whether or not that's actually the case (Obama believing he's Hanuman) is not the point in me bringing it up today. I simply wanted to demonstrate how there's this pervasive "Obama-Is-Unusually-Familiar-And-Friendly-With-Hinduism-And-India" meme lately. What does it mean (if anything)?

By the way, doesn't the above pic of Hanuman look like the late "King of Pop" Michael Jackson? Eerie similarities there. Moving on...

Anyway, that was the first part of the trifecta I picked up on from Thursday. Next, I saw this ridiculous video clip from a guy who's no stranger to making waves politically...

Rockefeller: FCC Should Take FOX News, MSNBC Off Airwaves

As I'm sure you all know, that's a name that comes up often in our studies and warnings about what's coming in the fulfillment of end times prophecy. Plus, this is hardly the first time that a Rockefeller has been captured on video saying some pretty controversial things...

VIDEO: A Rockefeller On Population Control

VIDEO: A Rockefeller On The Internet

Furthermore, contrary to his public remarks in the above embedded video, the Rockefellers are anything but opposed to the Right-Left/"Us-Vs-Them" paradigm in domestic politics. Gosh, if anything they're the ones who are responsible for creating and directing the "political theater" we've been witness to since the very beginning!

I just thought it was odd that we see President Obama depicted as a Hindu god known as "The Destroyer" on the same day that a Rockefeller is in the news making comments about media censorship and the nature of politics at this moment in time. Right or wrong, bells and whistles went off within me to suggest that they are somehow connected with one another.

I mentioned that I spotted a trifecta of sorts. Lastly, and right on cue, I then saw a third story that stood out to me amongst the rest. It's the latest contribution to the "Order-Out-Of-Chaos" component that's necessary to the future establishment of a New World Order (a.k.a. prophesied One World Government) run by the coming Antichrist and his Luciferian loyalists...

Ron Paul To TSA: Enough Is Enough!

Common sense? Sure. Do I agree with him? Absolutely. We just need to be careful. If you're not sure what I mean by that, then please check out the posts that were published yesterday morning.

Now, to further highlight why I think we need to EXERCISE EXTREME DISCERNMENT here (or whenever religion is mixed with politics these days) I want us to take under prayerful consideration what Ron Paul's son -- GOP Senate elect Rand Paul of Kentucky -- said just 2 days prior to the above video of his own father as quoted in the column titled "Rand Paul: Talk Of Shutdown 'Government By Chaos'". The bottom line? He wants to create a "Tea Party Caucus" that includes Senators...

"It’s a grass-roots movement," he said, "so my idea is to have a tea party caucus that communicates with the grass roots, that invites the grass roots to Washington, that doesn’t meet in a cloakroom and smoke cigars, but really is open to the public and gets information and ideas from the tea party, and transmits back to the tea party what we’re trying to do to correct the problems here."

I get the mass appeal of such a concept. As one acquaintance of mine put it...

"An 'idea' beholden to the sprit of our Constitutional, Representative form of Gov'ment. If successful, could there then be the establishment of a newer, larger 'Caucus' merging the patriots of the Tea Party, in the state legislatures and in the U.S. Congress? No law against it, to the best of my knowledge."

Fine, but come on folks! Read between the lines a little bit. That article's title says it all: "Government By Chaos". See what I mean though? This is precisely what I'm talking about here regarding this uncanny symbolism.

Let's take the subjective symbolism out of it. Let's just look at the merits of such a proposal. Ladies and Gentlemen, is this really a good idea?

No matter how much our ears might be tickled by what guys like Ron Paul and Rand Paul say, is creating more bureaucracy VOLUNTARILY really a good idea in response to the myriad of challenges faced by this nation due to her unrepentant sins? Isn't that part of the problem in Washington DC?

I thought that was what the Tea Party movement was trying to change. Instead, we find the Republican Party, and it's newly elected representatives, co-opting the entire movement. You already know what I think about all of that.

Before closing, I just have to remind you of a suspicious controversy that erupted before the mid-term election involving Rand Paul. No, it wasn't Hinduism (the focus of this entry), but another Far Eastern religion (Buddhism) that received attention due to allegations that Rand Paul has a "secret society connection" and that he worshipped a false idol called "Aqua Buddha" too!

Finally, in the realm of "Things-That-Make-You-Go-Hmmm", has anyone else remarked on the unlikely resemblance between Rand Paul (a true blue, political "rising star" in this nation; some might say he's even "ascending") and the "fictional" future President of the "Union Of North America (UNA)" depicted in the "fictional" UK artistic slideshow "Operation Blackjack" that we're all familiar with?

Operation Blackjack (Full Slideshow)
(NOTE: Skip to the 4:51 mark...)

Personally, I don't see the resemblance as being that close to warrant our intense scrutiny here, but I still felt it was worth mentioning quickly within the context of this article.

It's not Newsweek, but look at this recent cover from Time Magazine...

There you have it. Wait! I just noticed something else.

You need the letters "P", "A", and "U" -- in that order -- to make up Rand's last name "Paul". P-A-U. I'm beginning to wonder if you need an "NAU" to make up Rand Paul's legacy and destiny according to God's plan for this nation.

I don't know why exactly, but I still can't help thinking that all three seemingly unrelated news stories are really all related to one another in some way and that they're even prophetically significant too.

I guess we'll see soon enough. In the meantime, let's conclude with a sober reminder much more important than anything you've read to this point in this commentary.


People refuse to believe in a government conspiracy even when it’s in plain sight because the word "conspiracy" has been used to marginalize others so effectively that they fear not only ridicule, but being shunned by their peers.

Fine. Whatever. I could care less what my peers think of me. The truth is all that matters. The truth of God’s Word followed by the truth about what’s really going on in the world.

Their nefarious goal is to reduce the world population by 90%, or take it down to 500 million people. Which is odd because that number is also the EXACT SAME NUMBER depicted on the Georgia Guidestones, or "America's Stonehenge".

People, this isn’t just the figment of some over-active imagination, some "conspiracy theorist" with too much time on his hands, but these are the things that are being admitted to -- PUBLICLY -- by men and women in great positions of power and wealth around the world, and these are the things that you can find cited and referenced on various government websites so that you can see it with your own eyes.

The irony of all of this is that the truth is hidden in plain sight and yet we don't want to believe any of it because of the fear of what it would truly mean. Is it so hard to believe that there are people in positions of power who want to control you if not kill you outright? It shouldn't be, especially if you are a Christian because you're supposed to believe in the existence of not just God and Heaven, but also Satan and Hell.

In the end, I'm left thinking about something I've read before...

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

German Philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

For months now, we’ve been shouting from the rooftops about this sense of foreboding that seems to suggest that God’s displeasure with this nation over her unrepentant sins is about to manifest itself fiercely in the form of Divine Judgment and Divine Retribution. When that happens, make no mistake, it will be the end of this once great nation we call the United States of America.

What else can I write that I haven't yet (or that you all haven't written or read somewhere else)? It seems pretty obvious by now, doesn't it?

The general theme that we've been seeing lately remains consistent even in today's study involving several new news items, players, and places. In the final analysis, the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week -- the start of the Tribulation -- seems to be at hand!
Is Jesus Christ about to open the Seals like we suspect that He is?

Now you know why I keep thinking that we're on the cusp of the Tribulation because EVERYWHERE we look we seem to be getting signs (even in the seemingly mundane and random places) that point to its nearness. How so? Because they all bring our attention back to the subject over and over and over again regardless of any "tunnel vision" some might say that we have because we're studying these things all the time. There are no coincidences.

Sure, posts like this represent the deep, symbolic analysis and interpretation that is far riskier and much more subjective than just reading the Word of God and letting it speak for itself (as my disclaimer to open with asserts), but the fact of the matter is that even if we didn't have symbolism studies like this we'd still have to conclude that the beginning of the end was near.

World events and the other news headlines of the day confirm this for us by lining up with what God's Word explicitly tells us to expect, and they prove as much without us having to undergo lengthy speculative studies like this.

Even so, it's the unexpected "spiritual convergence" like this stuff that comforts me because it reminds me that our Lord is in complete and total control of EVERYTHING despite all the chaos and uncertainty that surrounds us on a daily basis.

So, regardless of what does or doesn't happen in the days, weeks, and months ahead, let's always try to rest on truths like this...

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The truth will set you free indeed. Yes, even in this "Age of Deception" that we're living in.

My dear friend, if you have never thought of yourself as being a sinner, have never repented of your sins, and don't accept, believe in, or know who Jesus Christ is, let alone what He did for you to become your Lord and Savior for the forgivess of your sins, then it's time you did.

This is all the more reason for you to ask yourself once and for all
"Am I Really A Good Person?" and "Am I Going To Heaven When I Die? Am I Saved?" before it's too late because none of us knows when we'll take our last dying breath.

Repent! Judgment is coming!

Rest in Him. Rest in His Word. Keep looking up!


Comments Posted (18)

Wow, whata "coincidence"! I just blogged about buddha/maitreya being shiva and thus basically the antichrist. That link to the shiva article and the timing of the obama magazine cover, that has to be a God thing. I am humbled to see God at work in the blogosphere.

Hanuman - notice how he looks like President Obama? Notice also how it looks like the Sacred Heart symbol is Hanuman's chest? Looks also like Michael Jackson some on his "Dangerous" album.

Sad that Obama thinks he is a monkey god for a couple of reasons. One - he is no god, period, even though people might worship him as such. Two - Black people in the old South have been said to be descended from monkeys or apes. This is a racial attack on the fact that some black people's noses look like the noses you see on apes.

Hanuman sounds like Saruman from Lord of the Rings.

Post word: vaust sounds like Faust, as in the guy who made a deal with the devil. This is either a corruption of, or a variation of a story from the Bible, where a Hebrew king pleaded with God to give him extra time on earth. God granted him his request, giving him extra 15 years life.

Each and every day I become more of a mind of Dewey from Danielstimeline; we're already in the tribulation, and the church isn't raptured until the 6th seal (he and I may be wrong, but everyday as I read the headlines, if I read them fast and furious enough, they sure make a good case for at least already being in the tribulation).

PLEASE!!! Do us all a favor and permanently post your most recent "disclaimer" somewhere other than at the beginning of most every post. I'm sure your tired of copying and pasting as well. I lose interest in compelling headlines almost immediately after having to scroll through 20 paragraphs over and over and over. Sorry, but we get it. Post a link for the disclaimer at the beginning or something but please, no more disclaimer being a quarter or half of the entire entry. To be honest it seems somewhat self-serving at this point as well. Give people the opportunity to use common sense. If they can't figure out what your trying to do here, and if they need further clarification then they can be directed to it some other way. Thank you!

No One,
I'll be sure to check that out later today for sure. I agree with you 100% too.

The similarities are quite eerie, aren't they?

I really need to go back and revisit the Daniel's Timeline stuff now more than ever. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Nodisclaimer Guy,
Ouch! HA Fair enough though. That process is necessary for me just as reading it by those who stop by for the first time is necessary. So, in a sense, working my way through that redundant process each time was my way of reminding myself of those VERY IMPORTANT truths and it helps to put me in the right frame of mind from the start. Anyway, I'll see what I can do about getting the same results with less.

In Christ,
Jeff ("JRed")


i'm glad you brought up daniel's timeline and the 70 weeks, because you and most of the christians out there have it all wrong!

as I have said in the past james lloyd did a great study on it, and after thuro investigation in the KJV bible I believe he is 100% correct. the oblation or sacrifice was cut off at the death of JESUS CHRIST. JESUS was the last sacrifice ever needed to enter the kingdom of GOD!!! if you can't see that your excepting false doctrin.
so that means CHRIST'S ministry was 3&1/2 years so the first half of the final seven years is already past. that was also the begining of the kingdom of heaven!!! when the NWO and the anti christ are set up in the very near future there will only be 3&1/2 years untill the end and the return of the one true CHRIST JESUS!!!
also I don't know where you have read in GOD'S WORD that there will be a seven year treaty, but I challenge you to show me, because it does not exist!!! it is made up garbage by the rapture cult and is not biblical in any way.

also the restainer has already been removed, in 1948 when the physical nation of isreal was set up in jerusalum. as I have explaned
this physical state of jews is the anti-christ rising out of the ashes it was left in, in 70 a.d.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

that is right out of Johns mouth, the definition of who is anti-christ.
2 John 1:9-10 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
it could not be any more clear.

GOD in heaven let them see what is right in front of there eyes!!! if it is in your will.amen



I've never viewed your disclaimer as self serving, and I understand & appreciate your reasoning for posting it, as well as its location - at the beginning. Perhaps, though, a disclaimer link will accomplish the same goal - thanks. Keep up the good work. :)

Okay, back to the Obama Newsweek cover. Where to begin, right?? Unreal. Some personal observations:

It immediately hit me that the November 22nd Newsweek date is the anniversary of JFK's assassination in 1963 - 47 years ago. Interesting that JFK was 47 yrs. old at the time. Obama was 47 yrs. old when he was elected president. Israel became a nation (technically, I believe) in 1947 - 63 years ago. JFK's birth was in 1917 - same year as The Balfour Declaration, regarding Israel. JFK born in 1917/Obama born in 1961 = 44 yrs. apart. Obama is the 44th president. Yikes - these dates & numbers popped into my brain all at once...kinda crazy! (Not that they actually have deep meanings, but it seems a little surreal).

JRed, you spoke of the "trifecta". As I'm reading an interesting book excerpt from US News & World Report on JFK's last day (after I saw your Obama Newsweek piece w/the 11-22-10 date & it triggered the thought of it being JFK's death anniversary), I noticed that the number "3" or "triple" was mentioned a few times in the excerpt ("trifecta"?). The opening paragraph speaks of a 3-hr. time period, then references are made to the "triple underpass" & 3 shots fired:

"The day began with Air Force One swooping down from the Texas sky, only to take to the air again, three hours later, with a new leader sworn in. In this exclusive book excerpt, journalists who were there recall the moments that changed a nation forever."

"CHARLES ROBERTS, White House correspondent, Newsweek: The last thing I remember was looking up at the sign on this building as we came to a park and sort of turned to the right to go down this incline under the triple underpass."


"PIERCE ALLMAN, WFAA-TV and Radio: There were three shots. They were very distinct. Later on, in asking to re-create the time sequence, my timing on it was six and a half seconds. It was a very, very vivid memory."

"ROBERT BASKIN, Washington bureau chief, Dallas Morning News: Smith grabbed the radiotelephone, which hung just in front of him on the dashboard and got through to UPI quickly. "Where did that happen? Where did that happen?" he shouted at me. For the life of me, I could not get the words out, and the driver told him it was at the triple underpass."

"WILBORN HAMPTON: I was standing next to the news desk. One of the telephones rang, and I picked it up, and this voice was shouting, "Three shots were fired at the motorcade! Make it a bulletin precede" [an alert that new developments had occurred in an earlier story]. I literally nearly dropped the phone. I cradled it next to my ear . . . I said, "I can't hear you." He screamed, "Three shots were fired at the motorcade! Make it a bulletin precede." . . . I said, "I'm having trouble hearing you." He shouted a third time. This time I was stepping over to [UPI division news manager] Jack Fallon, and I was almost afraid to interrupt him. I almost whispered, "Jack, it's Smitty." He said, "What does he want?" "He said there were three shots fired at the motorcade." Jack said, "What?" and grabbed the phone from my hand."

Here's Newsweek's Dec. 1963 writeup, following the 11-22-63 JFK assassination:

JFK/BHO...hmmm. JFK's death "changed a nation forever" while BHO has changed a nation forever, as well, it seems (our nation's death?)

Please come quickly, Lord!

I'm sorry - I don't think the US News & World Report link fully showed up on my previous post. Here it is:


here are a couple more proof text's
to point you in the right direction.
Luke 12:8-9 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

1 John 2:22-25 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

you see whom so ever deni that JESUS died for or sins, and completed the work of salvation on the cross. IS 100% antichrist and this is the discription of all the people claiming to be jews today!

these zionist scumbags do not even follow the torah. they believe in kabbalism and the talmud and even more sinister protocals of the learned elders of zion. they are sons and daughters of lucifer and her spirit.

the proof is the spirit they engorge on that they are chosen because of race. this is the spirit of lucifer and the pharasees. because all of the oldtestament or old covenent was done away with in favor of a new and better covenent or testament of JESUS and salvation to all that call on HIM and seek HIM and the true HOLY SPIRIT of GOD!!!!!!!

hope this helped someone! amen



How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He is now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. Since Jesus must personally participate in the rapture, and since He can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, the rapture therefore cannot take place before the end of the trib! Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who would be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which is Israel's posttrib resurrection!) If anyone wonders how long pretrib rapturism has been taught, he or she can Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 it was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Other Google articles throwing light on long-covered-up facts about the 180-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “X-Raying Margaret,” "Edward Irving is Unnerving," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and “Deceiving and Being Deceived” – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” which is available at Armageddon Books online. Just my two cents’ worth.

Welcome to the NWO. This is a must see video from about the TSA.

Black Awakening anyone?


The OBJ, video was creepy. Reminded me of the tv series Jericho.


I second what Nodisclaimer Guy said - PLEASE!!!!!! Can't you do a hyperlink or something that newbies can click onto? More often than not I start to scroll down and give up!


How much I too have been feeling this. Thank you for your dedication, and for being a Light in these dark times.

Birth takes place 9 months after conception. I noticed that the first miner in Chile was rescued October 12th exactly 9 months after the Haiti earthquake which occurred on January 12th. Both dates fall on a Tuesday. The miners were reborn and were saved from Hell. Hades is reference to hell or underworld in the bible. Hades also sounds like Haiti.

November 27th will mark 9 months since the Chile earthquake in Concepcion, Chile which occured on February 27th. This is close to the location where the miners were trapped in the underworld. Both days fall on a Saturday, a Sabbath day.

copied from a poster on
What do you think?

John, Jesus' death on the cross was not the completion of the first half of the tribulation, but the end of the 69th week. The Tribulation is the 70th week. You can find this in Daniel 9:27. The Hebrews had a custom of reckoning each day as a year when it came to prophecy. A week has seven days. Thus a week would equal seven years.

To take another look at the picture of President Obama on the cover of Newsweek, we see this: President Obama is holding six things in his hands: a stethoscope, a dove, a house, money, a military helicopter, and a globe. President Obama is shown as Shiva the Destroyer, the Hindu god of destruction. One could make the case that being posed as such, he would be: the destroyer of the military, finances, the family, peace, health, and the world. This symbolism doesn't do anything good for his reputation.

lounorm, James Scofield has a good name when it comes to providing translations from Hebrew/Chaldea and Greek into English. I had a Hebrew/Greek study Bible in which his work was used.

I have a problem with him. There are about 100 or so words missing from the Greek encyclopedia in the material he provided. I read his response to this, that it was merely a numbering problem, that words were taken out. If that be so, why then doesn't he go and renumber them to make them sequential?

As concerning the Rapture, the Rapture isn't Jesus coming back to earth, but descending from Heaven to catch us up to be with him. The Rapture can be thought of as an integral part of his second coming, but only in the fact that it is a sign of the nearness of his bodily return to earth.

The post word is: cosiasch. An anagram of cosiasch is 'chaos sic.' A couple of definitions of the word sic are "to set upon; attack;" and "to urge or incite to hostile action. This bit of information should be used when studying the Jesus statue in Poland.

Bulletin - Eas Activation Requested
Child Abduction Emergency
South Carolina Law Enforcement Division In Columbia South
Relayed By National Weather Service Columbia SC
138 AM EST Tue Nov 23 2010

, Child Abduction Emergency,

The Following Message Is Transmitted At The Request Of The South
Carolina Law Enforcement Division In Columbia South Carolina.

We Have Just Received This Important Announcement Regarding An
Abducted Child In The Town Of Pickens In Pickens County.

The South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division Is Looking For
Elysha Christine Shelton, A White Female 8 Years Old, 4 Foot 2
Inches Tall And 65 Pounds With Red Shoulder Length Hair And Blue
Eyes. The Child Was Last Seen At 255 Ravenwood Lane Pickens South
Carolina And Is Believed To Be In Extreme Danger. The Child Was
Last Seen Wearing A Purple Long Sleeve Shirt And Blue Jeans.

Authorities Advise The Child Was Likely Abducted By Donnie Lee Shelton,
A White Male 6 Feet Tall, 240 Pounds With Wavy Red And Grey Hair
And Blue Eyes. They May Be Traveling In A 2000 Red Nissan Pick Up
With South Carolina Tag Number, Bsa-253, Which May Be Heading To

If You Have Any Information Regarding This Abduction, Call Law
Enforcement Immediately.
Issue Time:11/23/2010 1:39:00 AM
Valid Until:11/23/2010 10:00:00 AM

Let's pray for this situation, and let's also check out the prophetic significance in it. While child abduction is never a good thing, God uses all things for good to those fear him.

Good news! The child abduction was successfully solved! The child is safe. Here's the dispatch:

Bulletin - Eas Activation Requested
Child Abduction Emergency
South Carolina Law Enforcement Division In Columbia South
Relayed By National Weather Service Columbia SC
537 AM EST Tue Nov 23 2010

The Amber Alert Has Been Cancelled By Sled. The Child Was
Recovered Safely.